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	<title>Comments on: SRS and the Natural Approach</title>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.towerofconfusion.com/2009/08/13/srs-and-the-natural-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-642</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are right about the SRS. However you should not use it too much at first, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right about the SRS. However you should not use it too much at first, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: chris(mandarin_student)</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris(mandarin_student)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with a pure natural approach is that I would have to effectively check out of my current life for quite some time. I wouldn&#039;t mind my but my wife, kids, boss, bank manager etc. etc. are almost bound to have objections ^.^.

I don&#039;t personally like SRS as an algorithm approach but repetition certainly exists in natural learning and my version is a simplistic recording and occasional revisiting (and re-re-visiting of resources). I don&#039;t like the thought of a program doing this for me because I think my desire for repetition of resource is driven by its usefulness to me (how does the software know if a word is dud one and not actually worth learning in the context of the real language I am encountering?) Of course you address this Edwin by emphasizing the importance of how you feed the system.

What I am trying to do is use artificial tools to recreate the benefits of natural learning. 

To be fair in your TV method you are doing the same Keith, the massive input may be natural but Video isn&#039;t. This is probably what leads to the &quot;attention&quot; problem you have identified recently, if you see people preparing and cooking a meal for example in real life and you don&#039;t understand the language you have a vested attentiveness interest if you know you will be eating the end result. Seeing the same thing on a Video won&#039;t spark the same interest. 

I think with the right tools and a reliable way to feed input I could use SRS and still feel that I was a natural language learner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with a pure natural approach is that I would have to effectively check out of my current life for quite some time. I wouldn&#8217;t mind my but my wife, kids, boss, bank manager etc. etc. are almost bound to have objections ^.^.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t personally like SRS as an algorithm approach but repetition certainly exists in natural learning and my version is a simplistic recording and occasional revisiting (and re-re-visiting of resources). I don&#8217;t like the thought of a program doing this for me because I think my desire for repetition of resource is driven by its usefulness to me (how does the software know if a word is dud one and not actually worth learning in the context of the real language I am encountering?) Of course you address this Edwin by emphasizing the importance of how you feed the system.</p>
<p>What I am trying to do is use artificial tools to recreate the benefits of natural learning. </p>
<p>To be fair in your TV method you are doing the same Keith, the massive input may be natural but Video isn&#8217;t. This is probably what leads to the &#8220;attention&#8221; problem you have identified recently, if you see people preparing and cooking a meal for example in real life and you don&#8217;t understand the language you have a vested attentiveness interest if you know you will be eating the end result. Seeing the same thing on a Video won&#8217;t spark the same interest. </p>
<p>I think with the right tools and a reliable way to feed input I could use SRS and still feel that I was a natural language learner.</p>
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		<title>By: edwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Keith,
    Let&#039;s say I am not a &#039;pure naturist&#039;.

    If there are only 2 categories, &quot;structural&quot; and &quot;natural&quot;, and nothing in between, I think SRS falls into the natural side.

    I think this is like trying to categorize the &#039;natural&#039; products sold on the street. They are extracted from natural sources (or at least claimed to be), but they are processed. Are they really &#039;natural&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Keith,<br />
    Let&#8217;s say I am not a &#8216;pure naturist&#8217;.</p>
<p>    If there are only 2 categories, &#8220;structural&#8221; and &#8220;natural&#8221;, and nothing in between, I think SRS falls into the natural side.</p>
<p>    I think this is like trying to categorize the &#8216;natural&#8217; products sold on the street. They are extracted from natural sources (or at least claimed to be), but they are processed. Are they really &#8216;natural&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edwin, I think you are not in favor of an all-natural approach so it is not surprising that you promote use of SRS. Saying that SRS can become an extension of the natural approach sort of sounds like you think SRS is natural. It seems you do not fully understand the natural approach. Can you speed up nature?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edwin, I think you are not in favor of an all-natural approach so it is not surprising that you promote use of SRS. Saying that SRS can become an extension of the natural approach sort of sounds like you think SRS is natural. It seems you do not fully understand the natural approach. Can you speed up nature?</p>
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